Do they care? Then I realized This entire tirade is full of calumny and detraction about the FSSP and false accusations about Fr. Catholics are watching and waiting. If interested, you can contact her at 612-450-0273 or gemmarose974@gmail.com. El Paso, TX ****** You said it much better than I. I was immediately attacked when I posted a response. Don't forget to buy yourself a copy here! Hello john6. His pastor for some time (until very recently) was Fr. Where to begin? Fresno, CA Are they abandoning it if they fail to adopt the same posture as the SSPX? Join Fr. The manner in which certain of the staff at ChurchMilitant.com, the FM College Administration and local FSSP clergy conducted themselves during the disgracing of the school suggests to me that the whole affair informed, hardened or turned the sympathies now on display at CM.com. Maple Hill, KS Sedevacantism is not a religion in of of itself. Dear DeMaria and my2cents, It is a reaction to the dreadful years after the Second Vatican Council which is getting worse by the minute. Please keep all those involved in this situation in your prayers.. The same priest asked me to purchase a picture of the Archbishop (Lefebvre) for the Rectory. They accept the council and while there are priests that personally may object even tell certain parishiners this or that they have by joining one of these groups accepted romes position that the second vatican council is part of the church and tradition. Michael Voris has a bee in his bonnet and he has boxed himself into lambasting a group that just goes about its business without giving him any attention at all. Servant of Our Lady,, S testigo de la experiencia de la. Fr. You have some excellent points in your comments, but I agree with Mr. Matt on this one. 777 Forest St., St. Paul, MN 55106 I wouldnt be half surprised if he granted faculties to the Dali Lamma. Edmonton, AB If I do, in fact, belong to an exclusive club, I would hope it would be as a Catholic faithful who adheres to the unchanging tenets of the Catholic Church as Christ established it. Faith must begin in Him, for faith is a meeting of two personalities Christ and me. She looks forward to any opportunities she may have to care for the beautiful families in this community! North American Martyrs Parish is a Roman Catholic parish in Edmonds, Washington, served by the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP). A cardinal such as Cardinal Burke should speak the truth no matter what the modernist destroyers want. It can be done, but always with a view that charity is the FIRST item ticked off. Call Father Wolfe and ask him about the SSPX! What exactly is a Novus Ordo Traditionalist? Someone who favors a reform of the Reform N.O., or someone who attends a TLM as authorized under Summorum Pontificum? Terra as hes still not quite 100% in his health. Fort Wayne, IN Light and life to all He brings, throwing light on our blind spots, provided of course that we give the Infant in the Manger the attention He rightfully deserves. Ive never described myself as an expert on Vatican Council II, but Michael Voris has described me as such, on air, and even ribbed me in a good natured way saying We dont do false humility here when I resisted the idea. Catholics are watching and waiting. But not so with you, you came forth to talk. Ive seen this story play out more than once before. Denver, CO Tulsa, OK The FSSP accepts the new mass and Vatican II. Fr. Tags: Catholic Extraordinary Form, FSSP, Tridentine Mass Dear de Maria, thank you for the time in answering my question. He knows very well that the Council and the new Mass both are causing people to lose the faith. Servant of Our Lady, It comes through the contemplation and study of believers who ponder these things in their hearts. The Bishop did not stop Nicholson. The same holds for the FSSP all the statements about the FSSP are true. The repeated and on going links between the FSSP and many of these attacks on Catholics in the SSPX coming from Voris and many other matters is a MANIFESTLY PROVABLE FACT. I am glad to be able to stay on course with what Louie provides here. Bergoglio [as he likes to call himself] doesnt understand Tradition. Bishop Morlino who has ties to opus dei and the Jesuits he is also a friend of the FSSP who recently attacked the SSPX by promoting the myth that the SSPX Priests do not have supplied Jurisdiction. He replaces Fr. (2) Re: courage or lack thereof of FSSP priests, funniest thing I ever saw was on the Remnant pic of priest all decked out in battle fatigues including bush hat w/the headline Will You (i.e. The greatest hurdle faced by the children of the Church in this case is coming to terms with the fact this is even possible, which one can do by applying their intellect to the situation in the light of faith, at which point the picture will become clear: Those who cling to the clarity dispensed by the Church before the Council cannot possibly be on anything other than solid ground, while those who accept the conciliar compromises are at risk of losing the faith. We know where these attacks are coming from they are coming from the standard of Satan. It can happen from a negative event; that is, when someone or something becomes threatened in such a way that forces us to look at it with the attention it deserves. Naples, FL addressed to TWN, That said, no Catholic at any time ought ever to turn their back on another Catholic. Los Angeles, CA But everyone one who has signed off on VII by professing obedience to it and its heresiarchs is outside the Church. ********** A distinction must be made when speaking about the FSSP. I think Novus Ordo Traditionalists, in my opinion are generally of goodwill, but actually end up causing scandal through false obedience. The upcoming Synod will be a real evil. While it had varied levels of success, it was an interesting approach, because this reality of the Catholic Church as a home often escapes Catholics when they consider what the Church actually is. South Bend, IN May none of us ever become so prideful as to claim immunity. There are so many dangers coming down the pike that I find it hard to believe this issue is taking up so much air time and energy. The SSPX, Church Militant, and many other Catholics recognize the deep crisis that has been brought about by weak leaders, corrupt leaders, homosexual leaders, feminized leaders in the Church for the past fifty-odd years. Sacramento, CA in the Mass prayers of Advent. Your charge of detraction and extreme lack of charity are baseless and are based on your feelings not on objective reality. So I hope we can say that we whole heartedly agree that such warm discourse between sedevacanists & Catholics who oppose is the way not only that it should be, but it is the way we are called to be. The circumstances surrounding the departure of the French-Canadian priest from the Fraternity were a mystery. Mine is no1. Im glad you agree that Fisher Mores story is so important. Faith is a gift. Tacoma, WA Orlando, FL And a real hand with a hole in it stands ready to open the door. I literally admire your use of sarcasm & I must admit, its well executed & actually appreciated. 3rd group those that choose only to attend TLM except for funerals weddings etc. What went on at Fisher Moore College is not known. North American Headquarters, South Abington Twp, PA. Who do you say that I am? Certain nearby FSSP priests were drawn into the controversies. Kansas City/Westwood, KS Father Saguto began serving as All Saints pastor in August 2018. If the Holy Ghost impressed them, that means He is always ready to stir up their consequences a renewed and invigored faith, courage to tackle the obstacles that challenge its practice, be it in our own soul or in the world, for the love of God and neighbor in the imitation of Christ. Saguto, time for adoration and confessions, and a Rosary walk. The Church is in a grave crisis, and we all have to make our own way for the sake of our souls and those of our families. English-speaking Chaplain . Joliet, IL There are some whose position gives them the duty to point out faults. Mr. Matt also says that St. The SSPX is not under the jurisdiction of the local bishop thats why they are able to talk freely about the council and the heresy of modernism that is rampant in the church today. Our Lord sees everything. We have been baptized into Christs death, the greatest act of love ever displayed and graciously made available to all. Denton, NE (Seminary) Liars and cowards is what the two I spoke to wereand one was the former head of the order here in America. Cardinal Burke has been very clear: If Pope Francis puts in place a program allowing the divorced and remarried to receive Holy Communion apart from a true remedy (e.g., an annulment) he will not follow; rather, he said he will maintain the true faith. Im sure some people reading this comment section of louies fine blog will be scratching their heads thinking so many different opinions on the same topic whats it all about.. Im not talking about those who comment but readers of louies blog who might just be coming across these topics for the first time. Harrisburg, PA South Bend, IN I dont say any of this as a criticism of those attending and supporting SSPX chapels, or even their clergy, which also includes some fine priests. Dear Louie, What they ultimately have lacked, though, is a real sense of contact, intrigue, and love with a Person. I am a Catholic who assents to all the Teachings of The Roman Catholic Church which lives on, undefiled in all her Glory. The very word sedevacantist is almost considered profanity. Below, Ill provide in italics what I consider the most noteworthy parts of Voris videos such as they have been released to date, with my commentary immediately to follow. Will the FSSP issue a public statement in support of the SSPX and debunk the schism myth? Ad majorem Dei gloriam. 1:00pm Keynote Speaker - Dr. Robert Loretz. Chesapeake, VA Grega's departure from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter could have been given. For those who are fans of the old Far Side comic strip by Gary Larson, part of his brilliance was his ability to capture how humanity is prone to missing the obvious. Catholics are STILL watching and waiting. I saw how they themselves maintained true & loyal friendships (which I happen to know continue to this day,) with fellow Catholics who were at odds with them w/regard to these matters. Thats Mr. V.s job. Wolfes gem about things not coming into being by a legal declaration. First of all whatever myself or others comment here does not mean that this is louies position or that he even agrees with the comment. I am only asking this question in the hope that you can shed some light on this kind of behavior. Church. One of the greatest problems facing Catholics who are trying to understand the crisis is a lack of distinctions and a lack of proper definitions. what does matter , though, is if they adhere to the teachings of the Church. Wolfe has apparently been rather willing to speak about Vatican II in strongly condemnatory terms, and he also openly criticized Pope Francis in various sermons, although typically on weekdays when they are not recorded. I do not have a right to say anymore. Tulsa, OK And we must distinguish between the two. We have not yet seen Justice in the Fisher Moore College scandal. I think some charity is in order here. Incomplete, because it does not take sufficiently into account the living character of Tradition, which, as the Second Vatican Council clearly taught, comes from the apostles and progresses in the Church with the help of the Holy Spirit. Quite honestly, few of us can giggle today, no? Even the Drumm narrative at the link admits that much just as it concedes that they really did make some bad hiring decisions. In my experience Ive found them to be extremely obedient people who were obedient as children. Confraternity of St. Peter Saguto FSSP on Saturday, October 7, 2017. Zachary Akers (FSSP Director of Development) on the Fraternity's new album, "Requiem". Furthermore, I do agree that Louies blog and the comments that follow are an excellent vehicle for enlightenment during these dark times. However, over the last year and a half U.S. dioceses and religious orders serving most of the Catholics in the country have released lists of "credibly accused" abusers who have served in their ranks, using their own criteria for whom to include. Will the FSSP issue a public statement rebuking Voris and CMTV? But the new campus lease turned out not to be sustainable, either, just a reprieve in execution of sentence, and it is astonishing to me that he thought it could be otherwise. Looking at what happened at Fisher Moore College in the light of the attacks from Voris this week and in the light of the attacks on Father Gruner the night of his death by Father Paul Nicholson this is all clearly a manifestation of the demonic. I thank God daily for them. Quincy, IL The Church is Christ, in her visible human element and invisible divine element, living through the ages in such a way as to be a place of dogmatic and moral security as a house built on rock, and where one understands how to love and live from the Person who is Life itself. Sarasota, FL Over 160 bishops in your country and 6 in mine, along with dozens of others around the world have invited this Society of St. Peter into their diocese. I do encourage more investigation and I hope Justice is somehow given to all those harmed by the take down of Fisher More College. Edmonton, AB A great film and you posted it on St. Joseph of Cupertinos feast day! Voris has, in many cases, exposed the corruption inside the N.O. If he so desired, in this year of mercy, to also grant them jurisdiction, TMAHICH could do so. Voris goes into yet another rant about the SSPX being in schism that is so lacking in plausibility that even Karl Keating took to his own blog to criticize it! On its face, this isnt a difficult distinction to comprehend, but the reason so many find it difficult is very simple: As Catholics we are wired to follow our leaders, especially the pope, just as a child is wired to trust its mother. Either one is a Catholic or a heretic. Fr. This isnt the behavior of a man who had a change of heart based on a new awareness of truth. Colorado Springs, CO This argument is fair enough; objective reality isnt subject to legal pronouncements. For anyone who wishes to gain knowledge on the position, the information is out there. I dont know what changed his mind regarding the SSPX, but whatever or whomever it is has him hooked good. Many excellent leaders in the Church, good holy men and women, recognize the exact same problems, but they havent left. Please keep in mind that I am speaking only for myself. We hold that the religion borne of VII is not the Catholic religion, but a non-Catholic Sect, of which Bergoglio is now the head. http://archives.sspx.org/archbishop_lefebvre/1974_declaration_of_archbishop_lefebvre.htm, A really good film about todays saint St Joseph of Cupertino well worth a watch But they are for the most part Catholic. Springdale, AR Fr. Search. Such initiatives and efforts need not be tiresome, but the sacrifice that goes into being thoughtful and present has a cost, be it in personal time or convenience. . Pastor of Queen of the Holy Rosary in Vienna. It was sent in by a parishoner when the FSSP got the personal parish. Copyright - Newspaper WordPress Theme by TagDiv. If I found myself in a place where only an SSPX or Norvus Ordo were available, I would choose the SSPX, hands down, and I would know it was valid thanks to Fr. The best way is to always talk about principles not personalities. FSSP NA on YouTube Very dear and close friends, who fought side by side with me and my family to defend the Catholic faith, have literally turned their backs on us and pretend they never even knew us. make use of all the sacraments in the (old rite) at places like the FFSP , ICKSP etc this is where it can become a little complicated while these places offer all sacraments in the (old rite) they are in what we hear voris and others saying full communion with/under rome meaning that they are under the jurisdiction of the local bishop and cant/dont attack issues like the second vatican council. Saguto was removed for violating rules about not being alone with a minor apparently. In exercising one of mine here, it must be said that the Dimond Bros. teach against several Sent.certa teachings of Holy Mother Church. The reality is that, regardless of what Bishop Olson did in taking away the right to TLM from the college (and failing to provide any alternative), Fisher More was in a terminal state due to imprudent financial decisions made by the administration. I was reading the blogger Leo over on Catholic Truth Scotland and he said a priest once described Vatican II as human respect, dogmatized. Im happy to let people know what led me to the place where I currently stand. This is the SSPX argument with respect to supplied jurisdiction. In any case, only an idiot (willing or otherwise) would equate every request that comes forth from the lips of a pope with the will of the Father. Inaccurately classified and Inaccuratley defined sorry to the average reader i got it wrong in my comment above thanks de maria for correcting me. The accusation that I luv those who want to destroy the Church is an obfuscation. Nor are they interested in arguments. There are those whod love to discredit stories like yours, bc of their own prejudices & preferences while at the same time having a holier than though attitude that would put a Holy Roller Southern Baptist to shame. Love your enemies, be good to those who hate you is not a suggestion. I understand there is a diabolical disorientation going on, which is difficult for many priests to recover from, but devotion to the divine mercy chaplet only exacerbates the disorientation, I have noted. At the top of the page under Photo Albums: Relics and Vist, November 2015 Visit and Vespers Oct. 26 - Nov. 1, 2015 (Ive read more of his ramblings than I care to acknowledge.). Especially in light of the context in which hes stepping up his attack with the Pope extending a remarkable olive branch to Econe and disastrous developments in annulment law and the ominous maneuverings underway for the Synod Against the Family.. Tacoma, WA God love you! I hope those responsible both cleric and lay alike are made to pay for what they did there. Indeed we are often victims of true prejudice-marginalized as lunatics, bazaare, on the fringe or fringe groups, etc. Mr. David McWhirter, FSSP ('12), are all set to join the priesthood, with three other alumni becoming deacons as well. They prefer the Traditional Mass for sure but they are not going to cause any scandal to other Catholics by being disobedient to the Pope even when doing so would help to save souls. Yes, I feel certain that this unfortunate behavior comes from both sides of the aisle (so to speak). Allentown, PA Many faithful Catholics couldnt take it anymore, so to speak, and simply left. Hope it may help someone to understand the complexity of it all. The FSSP is wrong on the doctrine,principles and the new mass. I, for one, would like to see priestly formation meaningfully addressed & perhaps even studied to a degree thats its possible in this format by Mr. V. & other trad sites. I am really sorry that I ever recommended them to anyone ever- which, sadly, I did. Michael Saguto passed away in New York, New York. This reality does in fact place the FSSP under the standard of Satan objectively. Since I am not under religious vows, my opportunities for disobedience are rather limited, since I otherwise adhere to all traditional teachings of the Church. 15:5). hi, Servant of Our Lady, Adam and Eve tried to steal a glimpse of something they should not have, to put themselves in a position of control they could not have, and that is why faith was so insisted upon by our Lord throughout the Gospel. Third Street - Evansville, IN 47708 Mass Time: 3rd Sun 9 am Phone number: (812) 422-5150 Priest: Fr Gene Vogler. This cannot become ho-hum, but we know there is always a danger of that, or getting stuck in a rut. That said, I do no wish to engage you there, but others might want to- with regard to this. Tyler, TX FUNERAL HOMES. Do you have any insight on this? If I ever respond with animosity (real or perceived) or have a defensive reaction, I take full responsibility for that & ask forgiveness for the vice it represents. Full communion is a VC2 heresy. Sunday 22nd October. 1 of the problems we have is that if your a traditional catholic bad wording but you know what i mean then what tends to happen is you end up in one of those groups in my comment lower down. Tyler, TX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX75xiW2Z54. There is a glee I read here when piokolby and rich and some others come out with yet another outrageous statement about somebody. Congrats. 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