Only married ladies had a personal lady's maid. 4,929, This story has been shared 4,321 times. She writesthat Perhaps the lesson of all these stories of Edith being left and left and left again is nothing brings in misery like being entirely at the mercy of other peoples decisions to stay or leave, which is where Ediths father, well-meaning though he may be, has left her. Holmes sees the Marigold storyline as evidence that Edith is learning to take her destiny into her own hands. Thomas: Lets make that three wedding receptions we were swizzed out of. IN some cases there are indeed titles that pass through the maternal line such is the case of Mountbatten of Burma Louis Mountbatten having no sons, his eldest daughter is recognized as Countess Mountbatten of Burma in the letters patent. Shed be able to manage it on her own since she is the owner of London newspaper. The eldest son of a titled person (peer) usually uses his fathers second highest title as his own. As she married two gentlemen with no title she was Lady Mary Crawley and Lady Mary Talbot. In which case, they would be identified by their order. Anyone who does not know that Dowager refers to a widow might like a more complete explanation. 'The Mandalorian' Season 3 Episode Guide: How Many Episodes of 'Mandalorian' Will There Be on Disney+? And yet, when Fellowes was interviewed about Edith, he claims that nothing could be further from the truth. Interestingly, if Lord Grantham had a son, he would go by the title ofLord Downton (fully as Viscount Downton)because Lord Grantham also holds this as whats called a subsidiary title which is like a secondary, lesser title. If William is the youngest, would his title be The Honourable Lord William? But on the other, there is this: In becoming a mother, Edith got out from under the thumb of her father. Some Redditors believe Bates is just a remorseless serial killer, pointing to his intense hatred of his first wife and creepy vibes as evidence. Fetching times four. Only the Dukes present wife could be known as the Duchess of Argyll. Titles do not necessarily have any connection to the location of the owner of a title. Editors note: For the benefit of American readers who havent yet seen Season 3 of Downton Abbey, please do your best to avoid spoilers when commenting. Cora would also become a dowager countess, but would Mary? On the one hand, Edith's story like Mary's contains a sort of gross "don't have sex when you're not supposed to or you'll pay a horrible price" lesson. Continue to watch and you will find out. The title may only be passed to an heir apparent, thus a son of the current Earl, as it is always possible for heir apparent to be born to the earl even up to 9 months after his death the heir presumptive would never be given the title. Its a perfectly fair, wonderful, and believable ending for Edith, which is why Im convinced it wont ever happen. So she is styled, for she is not a Duchess, taking her title from her husband. Is vulgarity something that one cultivates? Geogre is the Earl of Granthams heir presumtive he has a title. Stevenson: I cant seem to work up much excitement over Thomas and OBriens endless Spy vs. Spy battle. As debunkers have noted, two blue-eyed people can have a brown-eyed child, because recessive genes arent that simple. I cannot resist: were the fictional Downton Abbey valet Mr. Bates to sire male issue, would the boy at some point be styled or called Master Bates?. He would be known as John Bates. Or, more likely, little Johnny Bates. Or, more likely, John and Annas boy.. It is oddly her grandmother, the Dowager Countess, who seems to understand most fully that Edith's options are limited, and that this is not to be taken as a happy thing, only one the D.C. would argue cannot be changed. . Thomas: Well, it looks like were being set up for another rerun: The question of what Ethel the housemaid-turned-prostitute should do with her son. is never taken to task for the comments she makes putting her little sister down. But before that, like Im the case of Mary, the senior housemaid would be an acting ladys maid. I also feel bad for Lady Edith, who saw the one time things in that house were finally about her go terribly, terribly wrong, but Sir Anthony is a putz. But then I keep running into the same problem-why doesn't that lady's maid come to Downton with her in the film? When Tom Branson was the chauffeur the family called him Branson. Diana, Princess of Wales was the daughter of an Earl so, prior to her marriage, was addressed as Lady Diana Spencer. Mary, who has men falling all over her, has provided an heir to continue the Grantham line and enjoys the services of a high profile ladys maid, Anna (does Edith do up her buttons herself?) What about Sybil? The existence of two names both being used like a last name by the same family is odd to someone in a country with no titles- especially when the parents use one name but their children use another. A peeress may be addressed as Your Ladyship or Madam. So, dear, poor Edith continues to live in terror of being discovered by the one person who should care most about protecting herher older sister. Excuse me, I know this isnt relevant to Downtown Abbey, but hypothetically, if one was to buy the title Lord and Lady of the Manor of and this person had four daughters, what would their daughters be called? Click here to subscribe to the Royal Central newsletter,
Titles cannot be passed through the mother only through the father. The farmer's wife spills the truth to Edith's mother, Lady Grantham. She became solely Mary's lady's maid once Mary wed. After this, Mary asked Edith how the new maid was doing and Edith said that she missed Anna. Also, you only mention two daughters. In season three, it looked as though Edith might finally find happiness. Its the shocking way that Mary treats her younger sister Edith and how remarkably, she gets away with it. Are Zoomies a Sign of a Happy Dog or a Crazy Dog? Scan this QR code to download the app now. Also, one senses that perhaps Edith, who kept her daughter for a few months for the sake of the breastfeeding and therefore had likely formed a fairly fully developed bond with her, would rather she weren't quite so far away, and perhaps were even somewhere that Edith might occasionally see her. Sibling rivalries are fairly normal, but these two take it to a whole other level. Vikki Stark, M.S.W., M.F.T., is a family therapist and the director of the Sedona Counselling Centre of Montreal. If it is Earl of (name) (Earl of Avon, Earl of Oxford) it is almost always a place. Edith is the only one of Lord Grantham's daughters to hold a title, Marchioness of Hexham. downtonabbey.fandom.com. He professes his love for her, his wish for her to be in his life and for himself to be in hers. 1 level 1 [deleted] What will the title of the daughter of Sybil and Branson be called when she grows up? Ill consider this tidbit an early Christmas gift. 3 throughout "The Lady's Maid's Bell", and Stengel would perhaps say she is plagued by . She found her literal voice. George has the surname Crawley, from his father. Slate is published by The Slate Group, a Graham Holdings Company. Downton Shack. The deliciously mean-spirited piling on of indignities is unjust . I'm surprised, I would have thought a family that could afford it would have made sure their out in society daughters would have ladies' maids, so they could look their best as they hunt for husbands. hide caption. After all, thats the triumph of Sybils storyline. Maybe Edith's lady's maid is new and she doesn't quite trust her to do her best when she's going to be seeing the King and Queen. It's mentioned in series 4 (IIRC) - Lady Mary ask Anna to look after Rose while they are in London because they can't take Madge away from Lady Edith who is staying at Downton Abbey. The title is Grantham, not the family name. Unless, the mother is the monarch, of course. Last series, she was left heartbroken when Bertie Pelham called off their engagement after. As days go by, the bell that connects Alice's room to Mrs. Brymptom's rings at night inexplicably, and Alice hears footsteps coming from the locked door across the hall from her - the former room of Emma Saxon. Apologies for posting to such an old thread, but thought I might help other confused Americans find your comment when googling, since the show is still well-known even though its finished airing. Theres something evil going on in that stately home in the rolling hills of Yorkshire, and its a lot more nefarious than the re-bedding of the body of the expired Turkish gentleman. Why was Lady Edith jilted at the altar? As our fictional Downton storyline goes, Robert is the 7th Earl and finds himself without heir. Well, to Americans this isnt obvious. Rosamund thought. Gladys Denker is a maid to the Dowager Countess. Maybe you'll get pregnant! Never until they're married? The only way she would gain a title is if a title is bestowed on Henry by the monarch or if she marries a person of title in later life such as has happened to Isobelle Crawley, now Lady Merton. Easily put, a Countess of Grantham when a widow assumes the title of dowager immediately she becomes a widow. So would George just be Mister like his father Matthew? 1,546, This story has been shared 1,335 times. 2,161, This story has been shared 1,804 times. Sorry I forgot to put this in the other posts but another aspect to consider is that a Marchioness, ranking so high, would probably be expected to dress better and overall put on a better impression than the unmarried middle daughter of an Earl. Nothing. I took a tiny bit of (guilty) pleasure in the working-class womens mockery of herthough in true high-Tory style, Julian Fellowes had the woman who made fun of Isobel be a lazy good-for-nothing who is constantly demanding to be handed a fish rather than signing up for fishing lessons. When Lady Edith becomes pregnant with Michael Gregsons child, she finds a strong support system in her aunt, Lady Rosamund Painswick. My understanding is that the family name is Grantham and that Lady Mary married Matthew Crawley. Now I know why the Army needs censors! 1,163, This story has been shared 1,143 times. So Georges wife would be known as the Countess of Grantham, and both Cora and Violet would be known as the dowager, unless they had to be identified apart in which case it theyd be known as Cora Crawley, 7th Countess of Grantham and Violet Crawley, 6th Countess of Grantham. Why does this happen to Edith? Its a sad moment, but its also, Reddit claims, the source of the houses future misfortune. However I do not feel easy with the title lord because the word lord is associated with the All mighty God. Maybe Edith will finally get her happy ending. HM The Queen isnt making pin money by selling titles. 1. His superiors simply needed to feed Edith a lie that would discourage her from poking around, so they made up a cover story that someone who follows the news would believe. Maybethere is a silver lining to all of Edithsheartache. She would probably have opened the house to the public in the 1960s, as so many of them did, Fellowes told Deadline. Dashing away with a soothing iron, indeed. I understand that they are called Lord and Lady Grantham, I just dont understand why they go by Violets last name. Because Matthew predeceased Robert, Mary was never actually the Countess, but her son would be the earl, so what title does that leave her? I didnt feel much sympathy at the thought of the Crawleys being forced to downsize to a slightly less massive mansion. Lady's maids were often held onto even when the rest of the staff were decreasing rapidly, and a marchioness would certainly be expected to have one. These fan theories include secret parentage, undercover spies, and, of course, poison. Sadly, Sybil died giving birth to their daughter. You must not have watched the entire series thus far, or you would know why Sybil was not mentioned. Kois: But maybe the return of this ginger maid augurs a return of the other, even cuter ginger maid, Gwen Dawson, though hopefully not as a visitor to Mrs. Crawleys Home for Aged Prostitutes. Downton Abbey is, without doubt, one of the most consistently popular TV shows produced in recent times. She will never hold the title of Countess of Grantham, so what would her title be? He swore his love to Edith, but nobody else believed he was the dead wealthy cousin he said he was and he bailed out as quickly as a writer who suddenly realizes he has no idea where this plotline is going. Should something happen to Robert, the title would pass to George making Cora the Dowager Countess. 1,592, This story has been shared 1,546 times. After that, Edith decided to start a little thing with a married farmer, but his wife found out, and it was adios to Old MacDonald. She can raise her daughter in peace, write popular novels that satirize upper crust customs, and live a life out of Lady Marys all-too-perfect shadow. One of the Crawley sisters got knocked up by her older married boyfriend, who promptly went missing. The family name is Crawley. Applying the Bare-Minimum Monday Philosophy to Relationships, Mass Shooters and the Myth That Evil Is Obvious, Transforming Empathy Into Compassion: Why It Matters, New Years Eve Survival Guide for the Heartbroken. NPRs Linda Holmes has suggested that, until recently, Ediths suffering was the direct result of allowing her life to be directed by the patriarchal society around her. I was torn about the scene with Isobel and her fallen women. They wrapped up Mrs. Hughes health scare lickety splitId thought that would last all season. Lady Mary retained her married name Lady Mary Crawley, until she remarries at which point she takes her new husbands title or name. P.S. The family refer to the housekeeper and cook as Mrs and their family name regardless if they were ever married or not. She is the Countess of Grantham. But Cora is now a dowager (widow of a peer) too, so the usual manner is to now call her Cora, Countess of Grantham. Then at some point "Madge" became Edith's Lady's Maid (and Lady Rose's). Reply SarahMakesYouStrong Additional comment actions Inspired by soap operas and weepy 1950s melodramas, John Waters combines the conventions of that genre (soft lighting, teary organ music) with William Castle-like gimmickry for his most polished, biggest budgeted film yet. Why didnt the guards search his person when it wasnt in his bed as theyd expected? Or, are some, unfortunately, born with no decency? Im pretty excited about thatif ever there was a couple that deserved mutually assured destruction, its them. Unlucky in love, unlucky in life. How dare Edith not be dazzlingly beautiful? We have many more delightfully implausible frolics ahead of us. But to be fair, Downton Abbey has never been kind to Lady Edith. The farmer agreed to pretend to accept her story that this baby totally belonged to a terribly scandalous friend of Edith's, and Edith couldn't keep her in the house because of the terrible shame that would result from her family being associated with this scandalous friend. So lets call her Anne. I still dont understand why she must stay at Downton. If you have anyquestions relating to the titles used on Downton Abbey, leave them in the comments box below. And then they rolled up the rugs on Ediths before it even began.). Epic frame-job fail.). | Hope you are doing well and had a great holiday season. Photograph courtesy of Carnival Film & Television Ltd. 2012 for Masterpiece. She would love to take the wind out of your sailsif you were excited about something, it was only a matter of time untilpunch! Dinah would be sure to bring her down. I dont know why this is so but it is the tradition. As his father had no title, only was heir, even if Robert had a second title, which he does not, George wouldnt have it. This has led some fans to speculate that Lady Mary is actually the daughter of Carson, the familys beloved butler who has always acted as as sort of second father to Mary. This sub-plot mirrors the truth about what goes on in so many families, where often an older sister is ruthless in her need to keep her rivals head underwater so she can shine. He is the heir apparent, but not because he is Roberts grandson, but because he is the heir of the Third Earl as Robert had no sons of his own. Or at least, thats the official story. Mary will not have a title unless she marries a person of title. Both Lord and Lady Grantham have blue eyes, but their eldest daughter, Mary, has brown eyes. I dont remember Annas position prior to her being a ladys maid but she was known to the family and staff as Anna and they appeared to wish to continue to call her Anna after she became a ladys maid if there was not any objection. But Lady Mary has taken over when the series ends, and Fellowes believes shed find savvy ways to keep her familys home in their hands. They divorced. Best wishes to you in the coming year. I can just imagine the googly eyes! This line really embodies the cruelty that Mary expresses towards Edith on a daily basis. This theory all comes down to eyes. As you may recall from science class, certain genes are dominant and others are recessive. Did we lose one along the way? If it is Earl (name) (Earl Attlee, Earl Jellicoe) then it is the last name of the person granted the title. This is the case for all daughters of Earls, Marquesses and Dukes, formally their titles areThe Lady Mary CrawleyandThe Lady Edith Crawley, addressed normally as Lady Mary and Lady Edith and by servants asMiLady. Bates and Anna, a lady's maid, have their budding relationship put on pause by Bates' wife, Vera, from whom Bates is estranged. Charlotte Maria Livingston, Third Countess of Newburgh having inherited the title in her own right and passing it to her son, James Bartholomew Radclyffe (son of her husband the titular 5th Earl of Derwentwater.) Another case is that some of the Scottish Earldoms, such as the Earldom of Newburgh. Read up on all the merriment there. I am a Canadian and I wish Canada will re-introduce some of the titles. Anna used to look after all the girls. If so, who are they? So if you hear a woman addressed as Lady Roger or Lady George that is not her name or title, but the name of her husband (Thank you Dorothy Sayers, for that one). Edith is justthere. We had watched for weeks as Mary not only pushed Edith down, but also mocked her for herfeebleattempts to shine. Thank you for the explanation! I imagined the rage within Lady E mutating until lasers shot out her googly eyes, incinerating Mary and Sibyl and burning Downton to the ground. Since Its never states the ages of Robert and Cora I assume that Cora is no longer able to have children but like a son if they had on George is Vicount Dowton. Are you seriously asking if Julian Fellowes can find some other wringers to put his characters through? Please read the entire article to find the the answer to your question. Otherwise, she would work, and wait, and hope, and be happy. ), but had an institutionalized wife (boo!). And thats what I aim to explain in this article. Although it may not be obvious, Marys need to keep Edith under her thumb belies deep insecuritya profound flaw in her charactermaking her capable of splitting off any guilt in the service of coldly maintaining her fragile superiority. Thomas has been routinely scorned for his incessant scheming and then-taboo homosexuality, but he always is allowed to scrabble back up top and hes managed to secure friendships and respect. Speaking of nobility travelling without valets, when the Duke of Crowborough showed up at Downton without a valet in the very first episode my first thought was he left his valet behind so that Thomas would be taking care of him, and that would give them a chance to have a quiet talk about not wanting his indiscretion with Thomas to become well known. Given the opportunity to be responsible for something instead of responsible to everyone, she seems remarkably at peace as this season closes. The newly pregnant Lady Grantham slips on a bar of soap, falling onto the bathroom tiles and inducing a miscarriage. When the servants are at the home of their Lord/Lady, the servants are addressed by their own surname, (e.g. Stevenson: Youre right, Dan. Kois: The sight of Carson singing merrily to himself once he heard Mrs. Hughes was OK warmed my heart. ", On the surface, this may seem to be the saddest thing of all for Edith, in that it seems to be, for her, a far more profoundly important pain than her various suitors would be alone. (Quick aside on Mr. Bates: The scene where some sort of contraband is planted in his bunk made zero sense. Beautiful, stylish, haughty, powerful Mary should really be secure enough in her own identity that she doesnt need to diminish poor struggling Edith in order to confirm her superiority, yet she does and has continually done so during the five seasons of Downton Abbey. I hope they are all thoroughly ashamed. Robert Crawley is an Earl, his wife is a Countess, and his mother is the Dowager Countess. Newspapers dont care much for proper style today. Also, at what age do they stop calling George Master George and start calling him Mister? The Dowager Countess of Grantham. 18,354, This story has been shared 11,875 times. He would almost certainly enlist, as show creator Julian Fellowes himself has suggested. Considering all this, it should come as no surprise that fans have developed similarly wacky theories about the show. Alas, no. The lower ranking staff usually have minimum contact with the family on a regular basis and are often supposed to keep out of the familys eyesight. Mr. Bates). Oh, but how I sighed when Ethel showed up among the slatterns. (Which, quite frankly, she already is, to these people.) All rights reserved. Perhaps Gregson will come back from the dead Germany and the family can be reunited at last. In Downton Abbey 2019, this caused a problem as King George wanted to send Bertie overseas, which would mean missing his own child's birth. Staying Single: What Most People Do If They Divorce After 50. She was well-known for her role as Lady Mary throughout the years and had a similar look to her character, perhaps because Lady Mary often did her best to move ahead with the times, especially with her hairstyles. There are worse things happening in the world." Carson: "Not worse than a maid serving a duke . By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Crawley is the familys surname, Grantham is their title. Thank you! I hope they only learn each others forenames when the vicar reads them out during the wedding ceremony. Like with Lord Grantham, her title of Countess of Granthamis often abbreviated to Lady Grantham, the same as for all other Baronesses, Viscountesses, Countesses and Marchionesses. Brigitte Zaugg, author of the journal article "The Art of Irresolution in Edith Wharton's 'The Lady's Maid's Bell'", presents an enlightened . In the Season 1 finale, tragedy strikes. However, if Crowborough was really being forced to seek an heiress in America, perhaps he was trying to cut his budget for staff and made do with a footman or butler who could do buttons and buckles when he was at home and borrowing his hosts' when he was visiting. It's mentioned in series 4 (IIRC) - Lady Mary ask Anna to look after Rose while they are in London because they can't take Madge away from Lady Edith who is staying at Downton Abbey. Now, what does any of this have to do with Downton Abbey? One younger sister who participated in the study, Aileen, told about her relationship with Dinah, three years older. The valet was suspected of murder (twice). Fans Fuming Over Mayim Bialik and Ken Jennings' Hosting Schedules: "I Want Ken Full-Time". When they visited the possible future Downton Place, I got a bit excited, because for me the issue undercutting this whole plot point about whether the family might lose Downton Abbey is that of course the television program is called Downton Abbey. 4,289, This story has been shared 2,664 times. Exit Anthony, pursued by Edith's terrible luck. Of course, the season could move away from this. He is the son of the late heir, Matthew Crawley, distant cousin to Lord Grantham, and Lady Mary. [Watch Downton Abbey]. Laura Carmichael as Lady Edith, whose rather appalling luck seems destined to follow her. Then she met a newspaper editor named Michael, who offered her a job writing (yay! The Grantham household is in turmoil. The more senior staff are referred to as Mr/Miss or Mrs and sometimes by their first names if there is a more personal relationship between them. Jan 13, 201310:14 PM. I have asked for all seasons of Downton Abbey for Christmas, but I have seen the second season, where there were THREE daughters of Lord and Lady Grantham. To have to leave a child she loved with complete strangers could not have been easy. But in time her sons wife could be. Sure, Mary endures tragedy, but Mary is also wealthy, chic, and constantly pursued by scores of handsome suitors. You see, Edith may not be lucky, but she is not stupid, and she had come to understand that when one disappears into post-WWI Germany after being last seen with some disagreeable fellows in brown shirts, one may never be seen again. I think Edith was right when she said that she and Anthony Strallan would be so terribly, terribly happy, but a campaign of undermining by the rest of her family pushed him to abandon her at the altar. Now that the eldest girl has the same succession rights as the eldest boy in the royal family, has this affected the eldest girl of an earl or duke so they too take the highest secindary title instead of Lady + first name? Why is the familys last name Crawley if that is Lord Granthams mothers last name? Her mother-in-law is called Cora, Countess of Grantham. Mary will only gain a title if she marries a person with a title. She is persistently tormented by an unknown feeling, a sort of vague discomfort at the knowledge of a possibly sinister presence . Theres damage being done here! Good point, Ive highlighted your comment so everyone can see . Was it tradition back then to use the womens last name? This episode left me fuming. He claims he likes Lady Edith and likens her to the people we all know in life who can never get it together. As it happened, Edith couldn't stay away from the child and became a constant presence at the Drewes. Downton Abbey is on our screens on Christmas Day in the UK for the Christmas special. But theres been precious little kindness shown to Edith over the years. Lady Mary Crawley (played by Michelle Dockery) has been the resident mean girl on "Downton Abbey" ever since it premiered in 2011 (via IMDb ). It is nonsense to even ponder an impossibility. Or did he give up Lord Downtown to become Lord Gratham when his father died? So, at that point, I assume she doesn't. Theres a lot to admire about Matthews mother, who regularly steps out of her comfort zone to improve the lives of the less fortunate, but shes also more than a tad condescending. Thank you so much! She was the Jan, as Brady Bunch viewers immediately recognized. But then I thought, maybe Julian Fellowes will pull the rug out from all of us, force them to live in this still completely gigantic mansion with a mere 8 servants, and rename the show Downton Place! She died, but her daughter lives, so we cant be too sad. 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In order to divorce his wife, he went off to Germany (as you do in the years following World War I, if you have a taste for adventure), where he disappeared. So Edith might not actually be able to manage it on her own. It's probably really a case of storytelling trumping historical accuracy.
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